Post by Cari on Nov 8, 2007 18:59:04 GMT -5
*ehem* That's all a matter of opinion, Candy. Now my question is, in what way is it pointless?
ANYWAYS, to continue our all important conversation which some wish not to follow and some think should be deleted because it's pointless:....
Hahaha, well, learning verses is no easy task! I usually have to look them up to know EXACTLY where they are... :}
Anyways, I found this on www.newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm
Hopefully it answers your reply.
Temporal Punishment
That temporal punishment is due to sin, even after the sin itself has been pardoned by God, is clearly the teaching of Scripture. God indeed brought man out of his first disobedience and gave him power to govern all things (Wisdom 10:2), but still condemned him "to eat his bread in the sweat of his brow" until he returned unto dust. God forgave the incredulity of Moses and Aaron, but in punishment kept them from the "land of promise" (Numbers 20:12). The Lord took away the sin of David, but the life of the child was forfeited because David had made God's enemies blaspheme His Holy Name (2 Samuel 12:13-14). In the New Testament as well as in the Old, almsgiving and fasting, and in general penitential acts are the real fruits of repentance (Matthew 3:8; Luke 17:3; 3:3). The whole penitential system of the Church testifies that the voluntary assumption of penitential works has always been part of true repentance and the Council of Trent (Sess. XIV, can. xi) reminds the faithful that God does not always remit the whole punishment due to sin together with the guilt. God requires satisfaction, and will punish sin, and this doctrine involves as its necessary consequence a belief that the sinner failing to do penance in this life may be punished in another world, and so not be cast off eternally from God.
Did that answer you? If not, I can look more deeply and specifically into your argument. But at any rate, it seems to me (I am not an expert in the particular field you have just brought up) that although they did sacrifice the animals in order for their sins to be forgiven, they still have to do penance in reparation for the sins. This is purgatory. The site I mentioned above: www.newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm
is pretty good if you'd like to read it. And, if you're interested, there are plenty of books on the subject.
But at any rate, I was in no way ending the conversation, unless you wish to, so any rebuttal from you will be received openly.
ANYWAYS, to continue our all important conversation which some wish not to follow and some think should be deleted because it's pointless:....
Hahaha, well, learning verses is no easy task! I usually have to look them up to know EXACTLY where they are... :}
Anyways, I found this on www.newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm
Hopefully it answers your reply.
Temporal Punishment
That temporal punishment is due to sin, even after the sin itself has been pardoned by God, is clearly the teaching of Scripture. God indeed brought man out of his first disobedience and gave him power to govern all things (Wisdom 10:2), but still condemned him "to eat his bread in the sweat of his brow" until he returned unto dust. God forgave the incredulity of Moses and Aaron, but in punishment kept them from the "land of promise" (Numbers 20:12). The Lord took away the sin of David, but the life of the child was forfeited because David had made God's enemies blaspheme His Holy Name (2 Samuel 12:13-14). In the New Testament as well as in the Old, almsgiving and fasting, and in general penitential acts are the real fruits of repentance (Matthew 3:8; Luke 17:3; 3:3). The whole penitential system of the Church testifies that the voluntary assumption of penitential works has always been part of true repentance and the Council of Trent (Sess. XIV, can. xi) reminds the faithful that God does not always remit the whole punishment due to sin together with the guilt. God requires satisfaction, and will punish sin, and this doctrine involves as its necessary consequence a belief that the sinner failing to do penance in this life may be punished in another world, and so not be cast off eternally from God.
Did that answer you? If not, I can look more deeply and specifically into your argument. But at any rate, it seems to me (I am not an expert in the particular field you have just brought up) that although they did sacrifice the animals in order for their sins to be forgiven, they still have to do penance in reparation for the sins. This is purgatory. The site I mentioned above: www.newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm
is pretty good if you'd like to read it. And, if you're interested, there are plenty of books on the subject.
But at any rate, I was in no way ending the conversation, unless you wish to, so any rebuttal from you will be received openly.